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Bentley or Downing. i know who i'd rather have in my team.bentley or: barry, downing, dyer, smith, neville who wants to play in the U21s? for a regular prem first team player, it's a massive step down. he was entitled to have a summer break if he wanted. I totally disagree with that. Representing your country is representing your country, no matter what the level, and is the best way to catch the eye of the management while playing with players who are also likely to make the step up. Players these days have seen the likes of Owen and Rooney fast-tracked into the senior team at a very young age, and think they deserve that too, even when they are only averagely talented. Most young players need to serve their apprenticeship in the U21s and earn their chance in the senior team. Anyway, I doubt Bentley was even left out because of his refusal to play for the U21s. McLaren has already shown he is quite happy to go cap in hand to players who have previously snubbed the international setup. it's been said that mclaren rang him to explain that the reason he wasnt involved was because of the U21s snub. And i totally disagree with you too  i dont see the point of the U21s, sure, if it was actually U21s playing in it getting experience and showing there potential then fine. But in reality, it's full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either. many of whom have a couple of years first team prem experience and have very little to gain by going to it. I also dont believe mclaren takes much notice of it and has taken this decision in order to not disrespect pearce. I tend to agree BW, the U21's is fucking pointless. Players have represented England as young as 17, if your good enough, you'll be picked for the senior squad no matter your age. I do think there is a place for a U18's side though.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:06:01 | |
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Bentley or Downing. i know who i'd rather have in my team.bentley or: barry, downing, dyer, smith, neville who wants to play in the U21s? for a regular prem first team player, it's a massive step down. he was entitled to have a summer break if he wanted. I totally disagree with that. Representing your country is representing your country, no matter what the level, and is the best way to catch the eye of the management while playing with players who are also likely to make the step up. Players these days have seen the likes of Owen and Rooney fast-tracked into the senior team at a very young age, and think they deserve that too, even when they are only averagely talented. Most young players need to serve their apprenticeship in the U21s and earn their chance in the senior team. Anyway, I doubt Bentley was even left out because of his refusal to play for the U21s. McLaren has already shown he is quite happy to go cap in hand to players who have previously snubbed the international setup. it's been said that mclaren rang him to explain that the reason he wasnt involved was because of the U21s snub. And i totally disagree with you too i dont see the point of the U21s, sure, if it was actually U21s playing in it getting experience and showing there potential then fine. But in reality, it's full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either. many of whom have a couple of years first team prem experience and have very little to gain by going to it. I also dont believe mclaren takes much notice of it and has taken this decision in order to not disrespect pearce. I tend to agree BW, the U21's is fucking pointless. Players have represented England as young as 17, if your good enough, you'll be picked for the senior squad no matter your age. I do think there is a place for a U18's side though. i just think the rule where you are eligible as long as you're under 21 at the start of qualifying ruins it. that's sometimes nearly two years before the tournament. it'd be much better to see the best 18-21s playing than watching a bunch of uninspiring mid table safe bets playing.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:06:44 | |
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| Bluewijinov (17/08/2007)
it's been said that mclaren rang him to explain that the reason he wasnt involved was because of the U21s snub. And i totally disagree with you too i dont see the point of the U21s, sure, if it was actually U21s playing in it getting experience and showing there potential then fine. But in reality, it's full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either. many of whom have a couple of years first team prem experience and have very little to gain by going to it. I also dont believe mclaren takes much notice of it and has taken this decision in order to not disrespect pearce. If that's true then, well good. Serves the arrogant little prick right. Not saying he should be banned from representing England for good, but I do hope him having his little rest has set his chances back by at least a year. "full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either" Until very recently that included the nearly 23 year old Bentley who you are now saying is good enough for the senior team.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:09:13 | |
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it's been said that mclaren rang him to explain that the reason he wasnt involved was because of the U21s snub. And i totally disagree with you too i dont see the point of the U21s, sure, if it was actually U21s playing in it getting experience and showing there potential then fine. But in reality, it's full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either. many of whom have a couple of years first team prem experience and have very little to gain by going to it. I also dont believe mclaren takes much notice of it and has taken this decision in order to not disrespect pearce. If that's true then, well good. Serves the arrogant little prick right. Not saying he should be banned from representing England for good, but I do hope him having his little rest has set his chances back by at least a year. "full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either" Until very recently that included the nearly 23 year old Bentley who you are now saying is good enough for the senior team.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:25:10 | |
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| | So because not all will make it means it is pointless? Bit harsh on the players who play in positions in which the first choice(s) are pretty much cut and dried (club and/or country). Bit harsh on the players who play for 'lesser' clubs who aren't as high profile as the usual suspects. Bit harsh even on those who play in a lower division, whose performances for England U21s could earn them a move to a Premier League club, if not a senior call up. Also don't underestimate the factor of them gaining experience of what it is like to be involved in an England setup, which will be different from at club level. I see your point about the age thing, but to me that is exactly the reason why I see the U21 side as effectively the England reserves, not England youth. Given a choice between calling up a younger player who is experienced at U21 level (not necessarily currently playing for them) and a player who has slipped out of the England team because they are past it, I know which I'd go for.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:31:12 | |
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So because not all will make it means it is pointless? Bit harsh on the players who play in positions in which the first choice(s) are pretty much cut and dried (club and/or country). Bit harsh on the players who play for 'lesser' clubs who aren't as high profile as the usual suspects. Bit harsh even on those who play in a lower division, whose performances for England U21s could earn them a move to a Premier League club, if not a senior call up. Also don't underestimate the factor of them gaining experience of what it is like to be involved in an England setup, which will be different from at club level. I see your point about the age thing, but to me that is exactly the reason why I see the U21 side as effectively the England reserves, not England youth. Given a choice between calling up a younger player who is experienced at U21 level (not necessarily currently playing for them) and a player who has slipped out of the England team because they are past it, I know which I'd go for. but they dont select any players from lower leagues or players that arent already in the prem first teams. and bentley would get his call up based on his consistent displays for blackburn not for anything he did in the under 21s. yes, it is more like an england reserves team, actually it's like an england third team. there's 23 in the full squad, so it's almost a third choice eleven. im not knocking anyone for playing for them. i just dont think it is a big deal and should be for younger players who arent already established.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:41:54 | |
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| Bluewijinov (17/08/2007)
but they dont select any players from lower leagues or players that arent already in the prem first teams. and bentley would get his call up based on his consistent displays for blackburn not for anything he did in the under 21s. yes, it is more like an england reserves team, actually it's like an england third team. there's 23 in the full squad, so it's almost a third choice eleven. im not knocking anyone for playing for them. i just dont think it is a big deal and should be for younger players who arent already established. David Nugent is a notable example off the top of my head. I wouldn't really call Bentley established though. Relatively speaking, he's quite a late starter as his career took a significant step back when he decided to leave Arsenal. He's only been at Blackburn for a couple of years, so when you compare that to the players who do break through young (Fowler, Oweb, Rooney), he has some catching up to do.
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| | | Posted 17/08/2007 16:56:41 | |
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but they dont select any players from lower leagues or players that arent already in the prem first teams. and bentley would get his call up based on his consistent displays for blackburn not for anything he did in the under 21s. yes, it is more like an england reserves team, actually it's like an england third team. there's 23 in the full squad, so it's almost a third choice eleven. im not knocking anyone for playing for them. i just dont think it is a big deal and should be for younger players who arent already established. David Nugent is a notable example off the top of my head. I wouldn't really call Bentley established though. Relatively speaking, he's quite a late starter as his career took a significant step back when he decided to leave Arsenal. He's only been at Blackburn for a couple of years, so when you compare that to the players who do break through young (Fowler, Oweb, Rooney), he has some catching up to do. There's always going to be exceptions. But Nugent would never get a proper england chance until he joined a prem team and he was known for his goals for preston, he was cack at that U21s tournie, Lita got the goals. Still dont think Nugent will play a competitive game for england, he's worse than Macken. I think bentley has been along with pederson, blackburn's best player for the last couple of seasons and was instantly successful there. he had a full season at norwich before that. and was at arsenal when they were the best, so didnt really stand a chance up against pires and ljungberg but showed good potential. bentley isnt world class. im just saying him not wanting to play for the U21s is understandable. England U21 squad: Alnwick (Tottenham), Carson (Liverpool), Hart (Man City); Baines (Wigan), Cahill (Aston Villa), Ferdinand (West Ham), Hoyte (Arsenal), Onuoha (Man City), Rosenior (Fulham), Taylor (Newcastle), Whittingham (Cardiff); Bentley (Blackburn), Huddlestone (Tottenham), Milner (Newcastle), Noble (West Ham), Reo-Coker (West Ham), Richardson (Man Utd), Routledge (Tottenham); Derbyshire (Blackburn), Lita (Reading), Nugent (Preston), Vaughan (Everton), Young (Aston Villa) maybe Young, Derbyshire and Onuoha have potential for a future england spot. I dont believe any of the others will play for england in a competitive match unless they develop later in their careers. Only two non prem players in the entire squad.
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Bentley or Downing. i know who i'd rather have in my team.bentley or: barry, downing, dyer, smith, neville who wants to play in the U21s? for a regular prem first team player, it's a massive step down. he was entitled to have a summer break if he wanted. I totally disagree with that. Representing your country is representing your country, no matter what the level, and is the best way to catch the eye of the management while playing with players who are also likely to make the step up. Players these days have seen the likes of Owen and Rooney fast-tracked into the senior team at a very young age, and think they deserve that too, even when they are only averagely talented. Most young players need to serve their apprenticeship in the U21s and earn their chance in the senior team. Anyway, I doubt Bentley was even left out because of his refusal to play for the U21s. McLaren has already shown he is quite happy to go cap in hand to players who have previously snubbed the international setup. it's been said that mclaren rang him to explain that the reason he wasnt involved was because of the U21s snub. And i totally disagree with you too i dont see the point of the U21s, sure, if it was actually U21s playing in it getting experience and showing there potential then fine. But in reality, it's full of 23 year olds who arent good enough for the full team yet and likely wont be in the future either. many of whom have a couple of years first team prem experience and have very little to gain by going to it. I also dont believe mclaren takes much notice of it and has taken this decision in order to not disrespect pearce. I tend to agree BW, the U21's is fucking pointless. Players have represented England as young as 17, if your good enough, you'll be picked for the senior squad no matter your age. I do think there is a place for a U18's side though. Surely an U-18 side is even more pointless? How many players that represent their country at that level actually make it into the seniors? Even fewer than those who play at U-21 level. If the U-21's are pointless (which they aren't, IMO) then the U-18's are more so by default. Or are you suggesting that by the age of 17/18 a footballer is complete and there is no more room for development??? If you're going to be contrary then at least think about your argument, for your own sake.
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