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| fair play - Milan were shite - one piece of luck and piece of quality
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 10:10:18 | |
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| Have they learnt nothing from Hillsborough?UEFA's head of communications William Gaillard has blamed the behaviour of Liverpool fans for ticketing and disorder problems in the Champions League final against AC Milan. Rafael Benitez's side went down 2-1 to Milan on the night but supporters were the biggest losers as many with genuine tickets were kept out of the Athens Olympic Stadium, while others reportedly managed to force their way in with forged tickets or none at all. But while Reds fans, some of whom were sprayed with tear gas as unhappy groups protested outside the ground, expressed their displeasure with UEFA's organisation of the event, Gaillard turned the blame squarely on unruly supporters. "It was a suitable venue. It is the stadium where the 2004 European Championships were held and where all the games of the (Greek) national team are held. "Unfortunately in Britain it is the behaviour. Liverpool fans are responsible for the problems before, during and after the game. "(They were) trying to go over the barriers to get into the stadium without tickets, which is not the behaviour we can condone. It is very easy to say 'this is not a football stadium'. "Milan supporters didn't face the same problems because they didn't behave the same way." Gaillard defended a system that did not include the use of turnstiles and also praised the work of Greek police in containing flashpoints to a minimum. "In terms of fans pushing and attempting to get over the barriers, with turnstiles there could have been a tragedy. "At one point the police were overwhelmed and it is much to their credit that there were no dangerous incidents." Gaillard went on to admit he felt sorry for fans who had acted in good faith and been disappointed but absolved UEFA of any blame. "I am very sorry for what has happened to fans who had regulation tickets but at the same time there is a collective responsibility for behaviour. Some are obviously honest fans who got tickets and obeyed the rules but because of those who did not they found themselves in an uncomfortable position. "Some responsibility we (UEFA) could accept is we did not choose a stadium with 250,000 seats, but they don't exist." Former Conservative leader Michael Howard disagreed with Gaillard, claiming the Olympic Stadium was not ready to cope with the match. "I didn't think the match should have been held at the stadium. It's not a football stadium and is not equipped to cope with that number of people. "Ticket checks were a joke. Many people with valid tickets were not allowed in. "That is not acceptable and UEFA really need to look at their procedures and make sure everything is all in order."
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 11:54:58 | |
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| | Who is your question aimed at? The Scousers; the police; UEFA? Heysel; Hillsborough.... and still shitty grounds, with piss poor policing in piss poor countries are being allowed to hold top games. You can be sure this would not happen, or if so would be quickly nipped in the bud, in the UK or Germany for example.
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 12:11:25 | |
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| Frank Blue (24/05/2007)
Who is your question aimed at? The Scousers; the police; UEFA? Heysel; Hillsborough.... and still shitty grounds, with piss poor policing in piss poor countries are being allowed to hold top games. You can be sure this would not happen, or if so would be quickly nipped in the bud, in the UK or Germany for example. The fans, mostly. You'd think that of all sets of fans in the world, they would be the most alert and sensitive to the dangers of even trying to charge their way into a game for which they don't have a ticket. Whether they are able to be successful or not may be an important issue in football, but doesn't take away from the personal moral issues that these fans who still claim to mourn their dead can so quickly forget when their own self interest is at stake. It's very hard to understand their mentality.
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 12:21:27 | |
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Who is your question aimed at? The Scousers; the police; UEFA? Heysel; Hillsborough.... and still shitty grounds, with piss poor policing in piss poor countries are being allowed to hold top games. You can be sure this would not happen, or if so would be quickly nipped in the bud, in the UK or Germany for example. The fans, mostly. You'd think that of all sets of fans in the world, they would be the most alert and sensitive to the dangers of even trying to charge their way into a game for which they don't have a ticket. Whether they are able to be successful or not may be an important issue in football, but doesn't take away from the personal moral issues that these fans who still claim to mourn their dead can so quickly forget when their own self interest is at stake. It's very hard to understand their mentality. True, but imagine you had a ticket for City v Juventus for the CL final in a couple of years (we wish) and some nonce of a copper turns you away, as due to their incompetence too many fans got in. Too many? WTF? You leave the doors open, of course non-payers will help themselves. But this has seriously undermined their moralising standpoint, that I do grant you. I like to think it just shows up the football organisations and the authorities of piss poor nations for what they really are. 
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 12:30:18 | |
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| Frank Blue (24/05/2007)
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Who is your question aimed at? The Scousers; the police; UEFA? Heysel; Hillsborough.... and still shitty grounds, with piss poor policing in piss poor countries are being allowed to hold top games. You can be sure this would not happen, or if so would be quickly nipped in the bud, in the UK or Germany for example. The fans, mostly. You'd think that of all sets of fans in the world, they would be the most alert and sensitive to the dangers of even trying to charge their way into a game for which they don't have a ticket. Whether they are able to be successful or not may be an important issue in football, but doesn't take away from the personal moral issues that these fans who still claim to mourn their dead can so quickly forget when their own self interest is at stake. It's very hard to understand their mentality. True, but imagine you had a ticket for City v Juventus for the CL final in a couple of years (we wish) and some nonce of a copper turns you away, as due to their incompetence too many fans got in. Too many? WTF? You leave the doors open, of course non-payers will help themselves. But this has seriously undermined their moralising standpoint, that I do grant you. I like to think it just shows up the football organisations and the authorities of piss poor nations for what they really are. Of course, and I totally agree that the fans who had genuine tickets were very hard done by, and I do feel for them. On the other hand, although there was a fair amount of incompetence and 'couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery-ishness' about the whole thing (why would we expect anything less?), if those fans without tickets had accepted that they couldn't get a ticket, couldn't go, end of story, the issues of sorting out the ticketed fans from the chancers would never have arisen in the first place. That just makes it worse, that not only were they endangering others by trying to get in, they were screwing over their fellow fans at the same time. If those who failed to get in with tickets want to point the finger at anyone, I am fine with it being the authorities, so long as they also acknowledge their own fans' less than snow-white role in the fiasco.
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 12:32:37 | |
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Who is your question aimed at? The Scousers; the police; UEFA? Heysel; Hillsborough.... and still shitty grounds, with piss poor policing in piss poor countries are being allowed to hold top games. You can be sure this would not happen, or if so would be quickly nipped in the bud, in the UK or Germany for example. The fans, mostly. You'd think that of all sets of fans in the world, they would be the most alert and sensitive to the dangers of even trying to charge their way into a game for which they don't have a ticket. Whether they are able to be successful or not may be an important issue in football, but doesn't take away from the personal moral issues that these fans who still claim to mourn their dead can so quickly forget when their own self interest is at stake. It's very hard to understand their mentality. True, but imagine you had a ticket for City v Juventus for the CL final in a couple of years (we wish) and some nonce of a copper turns you away, as due to their incompetence too many fans got in. Too many? WTF? You leave the doors open, of course non-payers will help themselves. But this has seriously undermined their moralising standpoint, that I do grant you. I like to think it just shows up the football organisations and the authorities of piss poor nations for what they really are. Of course, and I totally agree that the fans who had genuine tickets were very hard done by, and I do feel for them. On the other hand, although there was a fair amount of incompetence and 'couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery-ishness' about the whole thing (why would we expect anything less?), if those fans without tickets had accepted that they couldn't get a ticket, couldn't go, end of story, the issues of sorting out the ticketed fans from the chancers would never have arisen in the first place. That just makes it worse, that not only were they endangering others by trying to get in, they were screwing over their fellow fans at the same time. If those who failed to get in with tickets want to point the finger at anyone, I am fine with it being the authorities, so long as they also acknowledge their own fans' less than snow-white role in the fiasco. You really are pushing the boat out, expecting that the Scouse should at least accept some of the blame. They should, but they won't. I just think it's another sympton of the way football is going, with too much money and general incompetence.
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| | | Posted 24/05/2007 12:57:32 | |
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| There was a lot of shite in the papers that fans would have to go through three rings of security before getting to the ground.
Did the tickets have bar codes? Could they not have checked for forgeries? Given the history of violence between Italian and English fans (esp Liverpool) why did they not segragate the fans in the stadium?
If City ever get to Europe again I will never risk seeing an away game.
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| Danny's Studs (24/05/2007)
Fucking Italians. Roll around like fucking idiots. I just so wished that Kewell was gonna drag Inzaghe off the pitch by his legs when he was wasting time...
And yes, I've still not forgiven them for the world cup.I would have dragged him off by his hair !!  Fooks me right off
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