Obviously there were a lot of lessons learnt after Hillsborough and the way crowds are managed today has totally changed as a direct result of that, however, am I the only one who thinks McKenzie has a point?

Also, I get a bit fed up of the Liverpool fans always blaming other people and not themselves. They seem to suffer from an acute case of selective memory syndrome when it comes to Heysel as well.

Any thoughts?

I remember driving down to Northampton and listening to the whole Hillsborough tragedy unfold, it went from the commentators berating fans for being on the pitch, to complete horror. I remember that night the mood out in town was weird to say the least. At Hillsborough we saw men, women and children die before our eye's, mainly due to the incompetence of the South Yorkshire Police. Yes I agree that the scousers milk it, but it could have happened to another set of fans as it was an accident waiting to happen. Maybe the lesson should have been learned a decade before at Ibrox.

I miss the terraces, but it has to be said that after the Taylor report, we've seen far more women and kids at matches because it is now a far safer enviroment.

I think my point it more about the scouse mentality of always blaming others which they've a reasonable, if not 100%, case for in the Hillsborough issue but they also try to blame others over Heysel as well. "Old Stadium" "inadequate policing" "no segregation" as though the rioting fans had nothing to do with it.

Interesting point about the kids now though. I remember being half crushed on the terraces as a nipper and finding it scary but fun at the time. It seems unbelievably dangerous now looking back.

I remember as a young adult being scared when there was a massive crowd surge, if you lost your footing you were in deep shit. I know the all seater stadiums have taken some of the atmosphere away, but it is a far nicer environment.

Old fashioned terraces were accidents wating to happen, especially when added to the policing/stewarding standards of the era.

But nowadays, as Cloudy says, crowd control is at a completely different level and new stadiums like CoMS could easily incorporate some terracing without the risk of a tragedy. Let's say the lower tier of the East and South stands were made into terracing. These areas would be full every week, improve the atmosphere and leave the majority of the stadium all seater.

They do that in Germany but it's a complete ball ache if the stadiums are used for Euro or International games as terracing is against their rules. They either have to put seats back in, or shut the standing areas.

http://www.petitiononline.com/savesven/petition.html

I used to love terracing, but if it was brought back, i'd still keep my seat. But there are plenty of people who would stand if given the option.