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| | From what I saw, the programme was plenty to confirm in our own minds exactly what we had always suspected goes on in some of these deals. Whether that is enough for definitive action or not remains to be seen and may partly depend on what (if any) footage wasn't shown for potential legal reasons. My guess is that Allardyce was named specifically because their footage plus 3 people separately and independently naming him may constitute sufficient legal grounds for the allegations to be made public, whereas other managers or clubs were bleeped out as they felt they were on shaky ground legally. They must have been very confident about the involvement of Allardyce. As for Chelsea being docked points, I read that it won't happen because the tapping up of senior players is considered a separate infringement from tapping up underage players. WTF? I can't help thinking that poor Mike Newell's timing was just the worst ever, making the allegations just as a top manager was being involved in a sting. If that one had gone through, that would have been all the hard evidence we need. One thing that struck me though, was that the NOTW got a lot of criticism by some people and elements of the 'superior' press for their 'fake sheik' tactic with Sven. OK, that one was a lot tackier and less sophisticated than this, but I don't really see that it was much different. Will there be any criticism of this now that it is the Beeb involved?
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:13:18 | |
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| Seattle Blue (20/09/2006)
From what I saw, the programme was plenty to confirm in our own minds exactly what we had always suspected goes on in some of these deals. Whether that is enough for definitive action or not remains to be seen and may partly depend on what (if any) footage wasn't shown for potential legal reasons. My guess is that Allardyce was named specifically because their footage plus 3 people separately and independently naming him may constitute sufficient legal grounds for the allegations to be made public, whereas other managers or clubs were bleeped out as they felt they were on shaky ground legally. They must have been very confident about the involvement of Allardyce. As for Chelsea being docked points, I read that it won't happen because the tapping up of senior players is considered a separate infringement from tapping up underage players. WTF? I can't help thinking that poor Mike Newell's timing was just the worst ever, making the allegations just as a top manager was being involved in a sting. If that one had gone through, that would have been all the hard evidence we need. One thing that struck me though, was that the NOTW got a lot of criticism by some people and elements of the 'superior' press for their 'fake sheik' tactic with Sven. OK, that one was a lot tackier and less sophisticated than this, but I don't really see that it was much different. Will there be any criticism of this now that it is the Beeb involved? Surely legal proceedings couldn't or wouldn't be undertaken unless the clubs involved contacted the police. It's the clubs that have been defrauded, (if these allegations are true), and I doubt either Pompey or Bolton would want to go down that route. The only option open is an FA enquiry, but the FA haven't the power to get the hard evidence such as bank statements etc.
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:15:20 | |
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| I didn't mean the clubs or agents being prosecuted, I was talking about the BBC getting their arses sued for making allegations that they can't back up beyond the words of one dodgy agent (though 3 dodgy agents is just fine  )
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:18:20 | |
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| Seattle Blue (20/09/2006)
I didn't mean the clubs or agents being prosecuted, I was talking about the BBC getting their arses sued for making allegations that they can't back up beyond the words of one dodgy agent (though 3 dodgy agents is just fine ) The BBC were quite cute in how they put the 'facts' across last night. The Beeb weren't directly pointing the finger at fat Sam, they let the agents do that for them.
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:30:06 | |
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| Exactly, it was so obvious their legal team had gone over it with a fine-toothed comb. Which is why I am wondering who were the other individuals bleeped out, plus the ones not even mentioned? I think I saw that there are 18 managers (past and present) involved altogether, but obviously only a couple of them were 'able' to be safely identified, and a third hinted at. I want to see ALL their footage!! 
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:41:10 | |
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From whatI saw, the programme was plenty to confirm in our own minds exactly what we had always suspected goes on in some of these deals. Whether that is enough for definitive action or not remains to be seen and may partly depend on what (if any) footage wasn't shown for potential legal reasons. My guess is that Allardyce was named specifically because their footage plus3 people separately and independently naming him may constitute sufficient legalgrounds for the allegations to be made public, whereas other managers or clubs were bleeped out as they felt they were on shaky ground legally. They must have been very confident about the involvement of Allardyce.
As for Chelsea being docked points, I read that it won't happen because the tapping up of senior players is considered a separate infringement from tapping up underage players. WTF?
I can't help thinking that poor Mike Newell's timing was just the worst ever, making the allegations just as a top manager was being involved in a sting. If that one had gone through, that would have been all the hard evidence we need.
One thing that struck me though, was that the NOTW got a lot of criticism by somepeople and elements of the 'superior' pressfor their 'fake sheik' tactic with Sven. OK, that one was a lot tackier and less sophisticated than this, but I don't really see that it was much different. Will there be any criticism of this now that it is the Beeb involved?
Surely legal proceedings couldn't or wouldn't be undertaken unless the clubs involved contacted the police. It's the clubs that have been defrauded, (if these allegations are true), and I doubt either Pompey or Bolton would want to go down that route. The only option open is an FA enquiry, but the FA haven't the power to get the hard evidence such as bank statements etc.
Legal proceedings could be taken against them. Defrauding the clubs is only a part of the problem. They are also defrauding the Revenue. Payments like this are also against FA/ UEFA rules.
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:46:14 | |
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| The most amusing/intriguing thing (depending on your point of view!) is that if it comes to an investigation, as it presumably will, then one of the Allardyces is going to have to sell the other one down the river. The son claims that Sam knew about all the payments that were made to him, which could land his own father deep in the shit. Sam will no doubt deny it, even if it is true, landing his son in the shit. Personally my money is on the son being arranged to be the fall guy, seeing as he has stepped down from his so-called career already, which was less high profile than his dad's anyway.
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:52:30 | |
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The most amusing/intriguing thing (depending on your point of view!) is that if it comes to an investigation, as it presumably will, then one of the Allardyces is going to have to sell the other one down the river. The son claims that Sam knew about all the payments that were made to him, which could land his own father deep in the shit. Sam will no doubt deny it, even if it is true, landing his son in the shit. Personally my money is on the son being arranged to be the fall guy, seeing as he has stepped down from his so-called career already, which was less high profile than his dad's anyway.His son has aleady taken a third option and claimed he was lying.
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 10:59:55 | |
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The most amusing/intriguing thing (depending on your point of view!) is that if it comes to an investigation, as it presumably will, then one of the Allardyces is going to have to sell the other one down the river. The son claims that Sam knew about all the payments that were made to him, which could land his own father deep in the shit. Sam will no doubt deny it, even if it is true, landing his son in the shit. Personally my money is on the son being arranged to be the fall guy, seeing as he has stepped down from his so-called career already, which was less high profile than his dad's anyway.His son has aleady taken a third option and claimed he was lying. Then it all depends on whether they can prove that he did accept payments during the transfers or not. I hope he did and he gets caught out, the smarmy self-important sod (like the alliteration?? ).
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| | | Posted 20/09/2006 11:00:14 | |
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| | I think it is funny that some of the accused have claimed they were only talking about bungs in order to impress a prospective business pa |
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