| | Posted 27/10/2006 10:57:31 | |
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| | Pretty Harsh Rourkey. Can't say I want SP to get the sack but he needs to improve and go on a bit of a run of unbeaten games with wins rather than draws. But TBH I would be happy if someone would just score a few goals!
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| | | Posted 27/10/2006 11:24:45 | |
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| rourkey (27/10/2006) I secretly want us to get beat on monday (heavily) to induce the sackig of SP!! sorry! Even if we win we'll lose the next two!Bizarre, and you also seem to be bad at keeping secrets!
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| | | Posted 27/10/2006 11:36:16 | |
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| | The thing is, if you sack SP, who do you bring in? There ain't a right lot of choice out there. |
| | | Posted 27/10/2006 12:17:56 | |
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| This is the view of some F365 journalist. Even he seems to be suggesting that SP could/should get another month or two before the axe falls, despite offering the least defence as to why SP should keep his job!Poor old Alan Pardew. Five months after so nearly landing the FA Cup off the back of an excellent first Premiership season, he's under pressure he could not have imagined back in August after a run he would not have believed. The Evening Standard, among many, is reporting that defeat at home to Blackburn on Sunday will cost Pardew his job. I pay particular attention to the Standard's report because the journalist is Ken Dyer, who's close enough to West Ham to have been one of the people in Glenn Roeder's private office when he suffered his collapse in 2003. Dyer is a Hammer through and through, as I learnt working at the Standard - a paper with enough claret and blue in its blood that when the club were relegated they forgot to move them off the Premiership coverage schedule. The threat to Pardew is real, even if the details may be slightly more hazy than Dyer makes out. Perhaps the board are divided on the issue, with the different camps leaking different stories. But someone is telling Dyer what he's writing. Elsewhere in the Standard, David Mellor, the former MP, former Fulham fan and former music-hall joke, was speculating that the man in trouble should be Rafa Benitez. Other names mentioned by Mellor were Iain Dowie, Glenn Roeder and even Stuart Pearce. What unites all but the last of these figures is that none of them should be even considered for the push at this stage of the season. Pardew has not become a bad manager in a few weeks. West Ham's troubles started not with the former Reading man but with the loss of Dean Ashton before a ball had been kicked this season. That was followed by the arrival of two players in a deal he had nothing to do with and the whole season has been played out against an unsettled background. Perhaps a new board will come in eventually and the axe will fall, but what manager would sensibly take a post at a club in such times? Pardew is the man best suited to stop the drift at a time of uncertainty. Sven-Goran Eriksson is many things, but I didn't have him down as crazy, which is what he would be to go to Upton Park right now. Pardew may lose his job on Sunday evening but it will be a mistake if he does. Dowie has a poor top-flight record - but the first team he managed there had been dragged up to the Premiership by his skills in a season when relegation looked far more likely than even a top-half finish. Now he has taken over at a club that last had a new manager in 1991. What calibre of replacement will come to The Valley if they sack a manager as promising as Dowie after three months of action? Roeder is not helped by his performance in front of the cameras. He always looks nervous, even when things are going well. But Newcastle are in both cups - their only realistic chance of ending their long, long wait for a trophy - and six points off eighth spot. Last season Roeder worked wonders in the Premiership, doing enough to earn a full season. As for Benitez, I remember the patience shown by the Liverpool board to Graeme Souness, Roy Evans and Gerard Houllier, who endured far deeper and sustained barren spells - Souness and Evans won two trophies between them in six full seasons and the current coach of Lyon won just a solitary League Cup in his last three years, slipping from second to fifth then fourth in his last three Premiership finishes. It is inconceivable that Rick Parry and co are even thinking about ditching a European champion and reigning FA Cup holder at this stage. On past form it will take two seasons of failure for them to act - and there hasn't been one season of failure yet. In light of the record of the manager and the board, I can't help wondering if those Reds fans calling in Mailbox for him to go are supporting the wrong club. Mellor, of course, is just making mischief and his column, as always, brings to mind his unwanted appearance on Chris Morris's brilliant TV news parody, The Day Today. Over a picture of the waffling one spouting forth, the voiceover said simply: "Journalist David Mellor added little of interest." Which leaves Pearce - and a deal of regret for me. Manchester City's position is better than that of three of the clubs mentioned and, relative to expectations, better in the Premiership than Liverpool's. The problem for Pearce is that, unlike the others, this is a bad start to a season coming on top of a bad whole season. I've admired the way Pearce has conducted himself, with humour and dignity, throughout his time in charge. The heavy, if not quite sufficient, punishment meted out to Ben Thatcher was an example to other managers (one sadly ignored by Martin Jol, who should be outlining publicly the penalty paid by Jermain Defoe, if any). But the current struggles come off the back of one win and nine defeats in the last 10 games of last season and Saturday's hammering at Wigan was a heavy blow to morale. I want Pearce to survive and thrive, but another bad month or two would be a sustained spell of failure. If Pearce does go, then I hope that Pardew, Dowie, Benitez and Roeder will all still be in their jobs when it happens.
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| | | Posted 27/10/2006 14:39:01 | |
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| SP thinks he should be given more time, too  Stuart Pearce has branded the knee-jerk assessment of Barclays Premiership managers as "farcical" and called for a transfer window to be introduced for bosses as well as players. The Manchester City chief has been under the microscope again this week following the four-goal humiliation at Wigan. Blues chairman John Wardle labelled the result as "an embarrassment", warning any repeat would not be tolerated. However, Wardle stopped short of condemning Pearce, whose job appears secure for now despite the major irritation felt by City fans at the JJB Stadium. Certainly, Pearce has so far escaped the kind of scrutiny West Ham counterpart Alan Pardew is being subjected to after eight successive defeats, while Gareth Southgate, Iain Dowie and now Liverpool's Rafael Benitez have all had their futures debated to some extent this term. Just nine games into the new campaign, former England captain Pearce feels the intense speculation is beyond a joke, which is why he believes a transfer window could allow managers some breathing space in which to do their work. "At the moment, the game is quite farcical," said Pearce. "I have seen a lot of ups and downs but it seems to be accelerating out of all control. "This week it is Alan Pardew, next week it could be Iain Dowie, it was Stuart Pearce the week before, Gareth Southgate the week before that. "Who will be next? Rafael Benitez? He had designs on the championship at the start of the season, he spent a lot of money - and he is two points in front of us. "It is a ridiculous trend. Maybe somewhere in the future, if you are going to move managers on, you will have to do it during the transfer window. Then at least people would have the chance to get on with their job a little bit. "At the moment, we have a situation where one result can dictate whether you are doing well, average or badly. That is not healthy for the game or any individual club." Having gained just three wins in 20 matches in all competitions, Pearce's problems go deeper than the last game or two, even if City's home form this term has been good. So far, the Blues are unbeaten and have yet to concede a goal, a heartening situation given the problems they seem to encounter on their travels.
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| | | Posted 27/10/2006 14:43:46 | |
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| He is absolutly right about the knee jerk reactions being farcical. But he has not been subjected to that. The last 9 months have been appalling...it's not like it is just the Wigan game that he is being judged on.
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| | | Posted 27/10/2006 15:56:02 | |
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| | I can understand your frustrations and even some of you wanting your team to lose. I've wished the same thing on my players many times. However, i'd love for the players to lose, I still wake up my whole house and break shit everytime PANATHINAIKOS lose. Thats the difference here. I'm sure your fans dont want to see the club do badly, they want to see change for the better and that cant happen unless something drastic happens. It's like civil war (to use a ridiculous example). You don't fight against your own countrymen because you hate your country, you fight to make it better even though what you are doing in the short term is not good for it and may seem traitorous. For example with our team, we have a money hungry president who has destroyed the club and if we keep finishing in the top 3 (which isn't hard in a league with four teams) then he will never leave. I'd love for him to go but the only way for him to go is if we finish in a really bad position and our ultras really call for blood (and in Greece they will literally get it). Now that's not to say that I don't love the club, I love the club more than anything else in this world but it's too much of a headfuck to see a small group of talented individuals who stay completely loyal to PAO forced to play with a bunch of (usually Croatian) cheap shit hack rejects who have been signed on free transfers who bring the team down and make us perform really badly. I like to see my team play with passion for the club and when all we are given is a bunch of useless fuckwits when the owner is a billionaire and has seen a team comprising of Seitaridis, Basinas, Nikopolidis, Fyssas, Goumas etc. (all European champions) and many other talented players like Konstantinou to a team made up of players like Silvio Maric, Igor Biscan (biggest hack ever), Seric, Nordin Wooter (OH GOD!)... You start to think, what the fuck is this guy doing, I want this fucker to leave, I will go through anything for this cunt to die! Anyway im rambling and these names and stuff probably mean nothing to you but what i'm trying to illustrate is that you shouldn't be angry at these people who are wishing for bad results, they love the club just as much as you and want to see it in its proper position, not at relegation level, at the peak of British football, just as Panathinaikos used to be at the top of Greek football! I hope I made some sense friends |
| | | Posted 28/10/2006 12:45:59 | |
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| Yes, niko, that does make sense, though I still can't see myself ever getting to the stage where I would want that to happen. It'd take a really extreme level of disillusionment, and I really don't feel like that towards Pearce. Or maybe I'm just not a civil war kind of person?? If I really didn't like the way things were going under a particular manager and thought he should go, I would still always want the team to win first and foremost (maybe turn it around without the need for civil war) - the possibility that he might get sacked if we lose heavily is merely the one bright spot in what would otherwise be a miserable event. I would only want the manager to go because the results were poor, so I would hope for the results to change before the manager. If the results improved, there'd be no need to want to get rid of the manager, only if they don't would I reluctantly concede it was time for a change, but my first hope would always be for an improvement. Besides, at City we've had plenty of civil wars and never found ourselves in much of an improved position, and sometimes even worse! 
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| | | Posted 29/10/2006 12:03:44 | |
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| Weaver puts his opinion forward...STUART Pearce knows he needs to rediscover his managerial Midas touch to silence the claims that he'll be the next Premiership boss sacked. Only a run of form similar to the one Pearce masterminded when he succeeded Kevin Keegan 19 months ago, when City ended the 2004-05 season with just one defeat in eight matches, will save the former England international from the axe. Discussions are already taking place about moving for out-ofwork Alan Curbishley or Bolton boss Allardyce should City show no sign of improvement on last week's 4-0 humiliation at Wigan when they face Middlesbrough at Eastlands tomorrow night. And the brutal fact is that because Pearce wanted a personal contract lacking a compensation pay-out, he's now more vulnerable than rival under-pressure bosses. City have picked up just 35 points from their last 38 League games - relegation form - and a display as abject as the one at the JJB Stadium could force Wardle's hand and Curbishley and Allardyce into focus sooner rather than later. But goalkeeper Nicky Weaver is adamant that he - and not his boss - is the only dead man walking at Manchester Cit It was in January 2005 that the 27-year-old travelled to the United States so that Clevelandbased surgeon Richard Parker could stitch the cartilage of a dead donor into Weaver's right knee and finally bring an end to an injury that had failed to respond to five previous operations over the space of three agonising years. When Weaver reveals that he was ready to contemplate a life outside football selling vans on a forecourt with his brother in Sheffield, it puts City's current plight into perspective - especially given that he can recall the day back in 1998 when a 2-1 defeat at York left the Blues floundering in 12th place in the old Second Division and in the depths of a genuine crisis. It was the club's lowest-ever League placing and Weaver said: "Losing at Wigan was a big blow because it was such a poor performance, but we are still sitting mid-table in the Premiership and I can remember not so long ago when we could only dream of that. "To say this is a low point is nonsense. I remember that day when we lost at York. It was just before Christmas and it left us mid-table in the Second Division which, for a club of this size, was an absolute disgrace. "In fact, for the first six seasons that I was at City we were never in the same division for two consecutive years. "Then when you go through the kind of injury nightmare that I have, you really do have a level head about things. "I'm not saying that just because I am playing again I'm not bothered when we play like we did against Wigan. I care, the manager cares and the rest of the players care. "But when people said we would finish in the top six because we beat Arsenal at the start of the season, I didn't listen to them. And I won't listen to those that say we are going to get relegated on the evidence of one bad performance against Wigan. "We are a steady Premiership team these days. We are unbeaten in four games at home and haven't yet conceded a goal, so it's a bit ridiculous to be saying that the manager is on the verge of being sacked. "Sure the next four or five games are important. We have to pick up points because when you get on a losing streak and are dragged down into a relegation fight, it can be very hard to pull yourselves out of it."
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