| | Posted 06/12/2006 13:27:30 | |
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| Bah Humbug! Barber (06/12/2006)
Timp's Tinsel Treats (06/12/2006) this is getting away from the point of the thread - I'm not talking about moaning - I'm talking about thanking a paid professional when they have obviously done a shite job - it doesn't happen anywhere elseYou mustn't have spent much time in and around the construction industry Timps. I didn't think the ref did that badly on Monday, even after I watched the highlights later on. One, if mot two Watford players should have seen red. There was nowt wrong with the goal. I've seen penalties given for less.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 13:33:39 | |
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| | Like I said, not that bad. I've seen a lot worse refereeing performances this season. I'm not sure their players deserved red, and the penalty was 50-50. What do you want Pearce to say in his post-match interviews?
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 16:31:29 | |
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| Bah Humbug! Barber (06/12/2006)
Like I said, not that bad. I've seen a lot worse refereeing performances this season. I'm not sure their players deserved red, and the penalty was 50-50. What do you want Pearce to say in his post-match interviews? Personally I'd like him simply to say he is unhappy that some of the decisions went against us, but thats football. Thats enough for me. If he genuinely believes the ref got everything right then fair enough, but I very much doubt that is the case for every game we play. What I don't want to hear is him applauding the ref for not giving us decisions that were, at my most generous, 50-50's. I don't want him to suggest one of our players took a tumble unless it is patently obvious that is what happened. I want SP to be honest and forthright, but I don't want to hear this particular bullshit. He is the exact opposite of Taggart trying to defend the ladyboy for diving. I find both equally embarrassing.
He'd lose no honour by calmly putting his point accross. He'd still command the respect of the majority if he did as such, and might even gain some from those who thinks he's playing the wrong game.
No one on this thread has demanded he start ranting and raving. It doesn't have to be a choice between two extremes. We still want him to act with dignity, but we also want him to tell it like it is, which he isn't doing at the minute.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 16:39:50 | |
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I think it will probably work in the long run in SP's favour, I honestly do.
All the moaning that Jose Mourinho has done about refs decsions hasn't won Chelsea any more penalties....maybe a decision will go our way against the SCUM?Are you suggesting that referees are corrupt? You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours kinda thing? Unfortunately for SP and your theory I don't think thats the case. They are bad, some of them, but not dodgy. I think it far more likely you'll get a decision your way if the ref fears being berated in the press than you would if he knew he'd get nothing but nice things said about him. SP takes all the pressure off referees making the tough decisions and as a result we are at a disadvantage compared to every other club in the Premiership. I certainly wouldn't want SP to go the way of Mourinho, Taggart or Souness, but I don't think he can do any harm whatsoever by pointing out which decisions he thought we should have got. Pure tripe............. The game of football, as we all know, is played at a very fast pace and the ref's have to make decisions in an instant. Now are you telling me that the first thing that comes into the ref's mind is, "what will Fergie say when I do this,?", or "How will this look on the back pages?", well that's just bollocks. I don't quite agree with the way SP talks about the refs, but I'd rather that than he was just a sore loser. I think some of you are just wishing that this was the case! Watford had the rough side of the ref on Monday night too, because he is a shite ref and his linemen were just as bad. I'm in the East stand and the linesmen over there was rubbish, he gave City a few throwins that were blatently not ours, he even changed his mind when Thatcher 'asked' him to! So, the problem is poor refs, not SP being nice. If there was nothing to gain from pointing out the refs errors then no one would do it. Do you honestly think SP has stumbled accross some ingenious way of influencing referees in future matches? Of course not. He's just trying to be different in much the same way as he played James up front against Boro and didn't put a sub keeper on the bench a couple of times last season. I personally wish he'd just do the job properly. I like him, but I have my reservations. Btw, next time you disagree with something someone says, show a little more class.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 16:46:02 | |
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| Bah Humbug! Barber (06/12/2006)
Born Unlucky (06/12/2006) I'll bet most of us would give it the way of the manager who might criticise should you give it against him, rather than the way of the manager who has no problem no matter how wrong you are. I wouldn't. That shows weakness. Most referees have to be pretty strong-willed to do their job. The pressure on them these days comes from the assessors in the stands, and all the after-match analysis from 15 different angles on Sky. I suspect the managers's opinions feature very low on their list of concerns. But, Jack101 says the assistant referee changed his mind on Monday night. Thats weakness is it not?
We are dealing with individuals here, not robots. Every ref is different. The best referees are the ones who aren't talked about during or after a game. Every ref knows that. If a ref knows he can make a mistake against City and not be talked about after the game then it makes those 50-50 decisions a lot easier to call.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 17:30:21 | |
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| | We don't know what happened between Thatcher, the linesman and Jacko101, even if it does sound fascinating. Jacko101 may say he changed his mind, we don't know for sure that he actually did - he may have been prompted by the ref. I've heard Pearce express disappointment that a decision didn't go our way on more than one occasion this season, but he always qualifies it with a statement such as "That's his decision and we have to accept it". He often does give credit to the officials, as he did to the ref with the penalty decision on monday, and for me that is exactly the right way to handle the issue of referees when dealing with the media. I hate hearing managers whining about decisions that didn't go their way, it always makes me think less of the manager in question. More power to Pearce for refusing to be drawn into that petty bitching, and long may he continue.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 17:53:48 | |
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| Bah Humbug! Barber (06/12/2006) We don't know what happened between Thatcher, the linesman and Jacko101, even if it does sound fascinating. Jacko101 may say he changed his mind, we don't know for sure that he actually did - he may have been prompted by the ref.Was just playing devils advocate with that one.  [qoute]I've heard Pearce express disappointment that a decision didn't go our way on more than one occasion this season, but he always qualifies it with a statement such as "That's his decision and we have to accept it". He often does give credit to the officials, as he did to the ref with the penalty decision on monday, and for me that is exactly the right way to handle the issue of referees when dealing with the media. I hate hearing managers whining about decisions that didn't go their way, it always makes me think less of the manager in question. More power to Pearce for refusing to be drawn into that petty bitching, and long may he continue.[/quote]
Well, I certainly prefer SP's style to that of most managers. I certainly wouldn't want him to use the ref as an excuse for what was our own inability to impose our game on Watford. Just wish he wouldn't go so far the other way, thats all.
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| | | Posted 06/12/2006 18:31:04 | |
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| I know what you mean BU, but for the minute I quite like his style. My position may change at any given moment though. As has been said, lets see how the ref does on saturday. 
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| | | Posted 07/12/2006 09:37:45 | |
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| Bah Humbug! Barber (06/12/2006)
I know what you mean BU, but for the minute I quite like his style. My position may change at any given moment though. As has been said, lets see how the ref does on saturday.  Maybe not, it is Graham Poll after all, and there is no legislating for what he might do!! 
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